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January 12, 2007



this is a good assessment of the Emerging church as it relates to post-modernism. However, we should be careful not to throw the "baby out with the bathwater". They have many valid points: 1. the emerging church is essentially a protest against the mega-church, seeker sensitive churches in the USA (mainly). 2. It is a protest against the current Church practice of listening to men rather than God. This CEO type leadership that promotes podcasts & programs over the verse by verse exposition of God's Word.

Now, I don't believe that the outworking of that protest is biblical but that is not to say that the foundations of what they are trying to do is wrong. I would also suggest that Calvary Chapel was part of the "emerging church" that occurred in the 60's. So being emergent isn't wrong, onlny their analysis of postmodernism and it's relationship to the Bible as God's Word. Besides, there are many, many heretical "movements" that the evangelical church is still embracing: Hillsongs, Benny Hinn, Toronto etc etc.

Charles Nestor II

Sam, thanks for the great comment.

I do not disagree with everything that the emerging church is saying. I am all for a church that is "emerging" with the right focus and Spirit lead. Obviously, I disagree with the postmodern wing of the movement.

Interestingly, many of the emergent leaders who are protesting mega church, podcasts and the like, have a mega church and a podcast and so on.

By the way, in your opinion what is heretical about Hillsong? I agree with you on Benny Hinn and Toronto.


As a former worship leader I am alwasy trying to find good songs from trustworthy sources. While many many hillsong songs are great, if I play them in my church people MAY think that we agree with their theology. My main issue with Hillsong theology is that they teach a Prosperity Doctrine and Dominion Theology. I've been to your church, Charles, I know you don't teach anby of those from the pupil but do you from behind your drums?This link highlights some issues that I would be aware of http://members.ozemail.com.au/~rseaborn/houstons_problem.html

john doe

It's sad to hear that Brian was recorded to have held to a theology that leans towards prosperity. Fortunately, the theology of thier music is not compromised and I'm ok with their music. It's kinda like your blog SamE. I can find many "questionable content" from the blog provider you use and others who are allowed to use it, but I see that you're using it with integrity and with purity. And I believe this is how you see it too, otherwise you wouldn't be blogging.

I checked out your link to the "Houstons...we have a problem." and I found that the site had a lot of good things to say, but also seethe with the built of "throwing the baby out with the bath water"...but you still link to them because you found their information useful. I think some people may not agree with the purported theology of Hillsong, but find that their music is useful to create an atmosphere of worship within thier congregation.

You like Calvary Chapel right? Well, you know what happened when the hippies started getting saved and they began witnessing right? Chuck didn't make them change thier clothing or force them to wear shoes if they we're going to start telling people about Jesus did he?

I understand where you're coming from about not wanting to be found "guilty by association", but that is such a vague line that I wouldn't be condeming anything that isn't theologically wrong if it...well...isn't. Otherwise, we shouldn't celebrate Easter or Christmas becuase of pagan celebrations and rituals that can be linked to their history. (I can pull up a whole bunch of links on the web...which by the way, isn't hard on the internet. The internet is full of "anti-this" and "anti-that" material. You give me a subject and I can give you a website that's against it.)

That's it. The soapbax is yours

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